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the demolition, if you look at their plans. first of all these are incorrect, this building is on stilts, this does not exist down here, this building is up on stilts. and the way that we came up with our graphic is we transpose that over the top of the new building. so this does not exist here because the building is on a stilt. the building according to the assess or is 863 square feet and they have it at 1300 square feet and so all of the calculations are incorrect. they are also something new that was added to the plans after the fact and those were turned in and here is what we are talking about right here is the planning department has 0 removal of the floor. and 0 removal. and the question that we have been asking, over and over again, is how do you take the
existing foundations which are made of 80-year-old concrete, and how do you insert those between the new first and second floors? this is concrete foundation here? how do these peers go into and there is a peer underground right here and how does that go into the building of like material not being moved? >> i am going to give part of my time to the engineer retained by miss albright and pat who is going to address this issue, the code is misinterpreted and i tried to go over it in detail in my brief. make them explain what they are doing. >> good evening, commissioners, my name is pat buscovich i was brought in the past to help to deal with the retaining issues at raccoon court which is on this hillside. i agreed to participate as long as i could offer a construction
criticism. i have three issues. i have reached out to the engineer, i won't speak for him and i think that we have had good discussions. the three points are they need to clarify the scope of the work. the current scope says vertical and hor sonal addition, it is silent if they are excavating into the hill and it is massive and clarify if they are doing it and an evaluation if they are doing it, if not they will have to file a separate building permit, i think that it is a form 6 for excavation and if they are saying that they are doing it in this clean upper , permit and they can clean up the scope. and there is a code section that was done after knock ash and i was involved in the land side and when it said that you are on a site doing more than 1,000 square foot of roof area and their own application says
that they are adding 14,048 of a floor and a floor is a floor not a deck if it has a roof. so by the code they are supposed to be doing a peer review and i made that section to mr. santos and i am sure that he is going to discuss it. i think that it is a smart thing to do. last, there are two criterias for demolition, there is a dba and a planning criteria, they are different. they are really different. dba, you don't include the foundation, you don't include the roof. planning has different thresholds and also have a (inaudible) but i am not going to speak to but they need to be looking at both criteria and i could not find the second criteria and they need to clarify that and move on. >> thank you commissioners >> thank you, we can hear from the permit holder now. >> anyone here representing the
permit holder? >> does the board wish to have this picture of mr. williams left up here of the appellant's property, or should i give it back to you. >> it is not in our packet. >> is this in the back packet? >> it is not. >> good evening, commissioners, for the permit holder, if i could have the audio and visual i would like to review the real issues here and not the kind of made up issues. this has been scrutinized by all of the department and in process for over six years and so i just want to give you a sense of the context and why and who is opposing this
project. this is an aerial of the site and includes the one story home and this is mona albright who owns a 9-unit building, and apparently vacant, but miss bendeos and terry woods. the opposition is they don't want to see any change that is in essence what they are after is just to keep the status quo, you can see that the surrounding buildings that claim that the proposed project is too big and out of scale and that is not the case. again this is miss albright's building, 127 crown terrace and she has a garage and this goes from crown court to gray stone
terrace and it has a garage that approaches the property line and this is the property line and the proposed project and you can see that this will be a 20-foot separation between what is proposed and an existing building here, and it extends almost to 40 feet and you start to look at angles when this is set back and the open space between the buildings is quite substantial and that is one of the concerns that miss albright has. miss yost, this is her property, she actually go right to the property lines for about 15 feet, what the proposed project does is match the three foot rail in this area and there is a rail along maintaining the open space between the two homes and even though they comes to the property line and the third person in this project miss terry woods is she is diagonally offset from this property and yet, this view of obstruction and that is the primary concern and she has been driving this opposition because of the loss of view.
people say that the project is out of scale and this is the elevation of the building on crown terrace and this is the albright building and this is a line that connects the albright building to yost's home and you can see at this new home that is right within this line in terms of scale and height, this rectangle is what the planning code would allow and so this is substantially lower at 14 feet and 6 inches lower than the 25 feet at the planning code would allow. in terms of section, and in terms of what was done to accommodate neighborhood requests, again, this is an outline of 115 crown terrace, and that is yellow are the windows and the property line and windows and the side yard windows, the proposed project has basically transit window and rearranged windows so to
maintain the privacy and to address her concerns. and again, here is just a picture that shows 115 crown terrace, and section of the building that is right along the property line, and the existing building to see and we get a sense of what that looks like. and then we have the 127 crown court which is miss albright's building and 9-unit building. these are all of the windows along the west property line, that face the proposed project. it is very little... between the windows and as i said before this new home is a 20 foot separation and it is ironic that someone who has a 9-unit building is concerned that a one single family and you have nine families looking at one family and (inaudible) should be the concern. finally, this is the view from
terry's home. from the second floor. excuse me, the absentee owner, the home is rented and this is the home from her terrace and it extends from corona heights to all of downtown and the bay extending south east. so this is what it would look like with the new home inserted. again, the major primary view of the corona heights downtown and the base is maintained and it is my contention that her view is improved. what this project will do is basically add safety for the crown terrace because putting in a garage and a driving deck, it will allow the cars to make turns and come back out of crown terrace from the ambulance right now it is difficult to make a turn with this project it will make improved safety for that whole street. i would like to give my remaining time to mr. santos to address the engineering issues, thank you, commissionerers.
>> good evening commissioners, i am the project engineer, and i would like to respond to the comments and as he mentioned to you all that we had a conversation and it was very (inaudible) conversation and he brought out three items, one he talked about the slope stability. of course, we are concerned about the slope. we have a report, and a slope investigation that told us what sort of parameters that we need to use to design the building, in addition to the fact that we have a compliance letter, we actually welcome peer review that he is suggesting. we urge peer review on something that has an excavation of 25 feet. there are lawyers in the room. i am all for sharing the liability. we welcome that. so there is no issues with that. he brought out the question of evaluating the cost of the project. perhaps, we need to reassess
that number. we have some costs related to shoring, and cost of excavation, we incorporated all of that and the work with dbi and make sure that we have the proper number that is going to be identified as a percentage that we need to pay and finally, we talked about the demolition or so-called, defacto, demolition and mr. williams brought out the fact that mr. peskin does not think that the numbers are quite correct. to say that the guidelines were created for demolition and construction guidelines in 2003, when i was the president of the building inspection commission. >> he did not write the guidelines and we created the guidelines and we need not only the planning demolition guidelines and also meet the dbi guidelines. we meet both and we welcome the peer review and we will pay more if that is required. >> thank you. >> we do not want another permit. >> thank you, your time is up.
>> mr. sanchez. >> thank you, scott sanchez, planning department. has noted the property at 125 crown terrace, located in a single family zoning district, the appellant's property is in a r1 zoning which higher density which explains why there is a apartment building. this is the latest incarnation that had filed a demolition and construction in 2008. and abandoned that project and sought the alteration permit that is on appeal before you today. that was filed in october of 2011. and we performed section 322, neighborhood notification last summer and had to perform it a couple of times because there were issues in terms of accuracy of the plans and we did have accurate plans that we submitted for neighborhood notification and there was three discretionary view requests that were filed on the
permit application and the planning commission considered this matter on october 25th of last year and upheld the building permit application seeking not to take the discretionary view and make changes to the project. i think that the key issue that has been raised is this is a defacton, demo and it has been raised on appeal. it is right hand 317 there are three ways that you can be considered a demolition, first is you are truly a demolition, and dbi has you processed a permit for demolition, that is number one. number two, is that 50 percent of the front and rear facade and 50 percent of the walls are removed and that is measured at the feet at the foundation level and 50 percent of all vertical and horizontal surfaces measured as area and the project sponsor has provided calculations showing
that they will retain enough of the building such that it is not considered a demolition under planning code 317. these concerns were raised at the planning commission hearing that this was a defacto demo and the planning commission did not feel that there were compelling arguments to consider that at the time. and we have not yet seen any arguments from the appellant that would find this to be a defacto demo, if they were able to exceed the scope of work and demolish more of the building than they are showing in the plans, then they would most likely be a defacto demo, because they are close to the limits as outlined in section 317. so those were the comments that i wanted to make and i am available for any questions that the board may have. thank you. >> i have a question. if somebody were to exceed what was in the plans in terms of demolition, to the point where the structure is gone, what is the penalty? what happens at that juncture?
because they have some what... if that was the intent and they have accomplished it. what would be next? >> more serious problems than even the planning department could throw at them. because if they do exceed the scope and dbi, the building department determines that they are an unlawful demo and they could be prohibited to build anything larger on the site for five years, and duffy can speak more to the unlawful demo. and if they do something less on 317 and they would file a revision permit and go through the process of having to go for a defacto hearing, at the planning commission. >> thank you. >> mr. duffy? >> good evening, commissioners. this permit has been issued as
a site permit. from dbi and so we are still got a lot of review to do on it for a structural architectal and mechanical and fire and sprinklers that is all to come in yet for dbi and so we are in the early stages of the plan review. i did today speak with robert chung who was the engineer who reviewed the site permit drawings, which do not have anything on them structural or not. but, he did approve them. and in the 2010, san francisco building code, we do have our administrative bulletin for site permit processing. and just one of the items i want to read rt as well. because i think that it is important in this case as much of a purpose of a site permit is to allow a review of preliminary conceptual and
schematic designs of proposed construction, there is no detailed plan review of construction details required at the time of site permit review. such detailed review will be done at the time of an addendum review. i am available for any questions and i will be on the demolition if you want to know about that one. valuation will be dealt with by ddi, we do use the marshal swift cost evaluation which is a nationwide analysis and i spoke with the engineer today. and he will look at that with the project sponsor, and get it proper valuation on the project. and on the demolition, do you want me to clarify that? >> in the san francisco building code, if all of the walls were taken down on a project, whenever they are supposed to remain that is what is known as an unlawful
demolition and there are penalty and a hearing is held and usually what happens is that if it is found out to be unknown unlawful demo the site has to remain without any permits for five years. unless you want to put back the original square footage of the building which in this case is around less than 1,000 square feet maybe a little more so it is quite a severe penalty. i have seen it happen maybe twice in the last ten years. we don't like to see them. so i think that the essence here is that they have to be very careful with the walls and the floor joists and the joints that are shown to remain and you have to work closely with dbi with the construction to insure that that elements do remain in place. i think that is... and i think that most of it in the city are really good at this. they kind of give us a heads out and sometimes there are walls that might encounter dry rot or we have a weather
proofing issue which we generally work with them and we work closely with planning. when those do happen. >> thank you. >> so we will take public comment now, could i see a show of hands how many people plan to speak on this item? >> everybody is here for this case. >> okay. >> what i would ask you to do if you are willing is to fill out a speaker card and hand it to the... when you come up to speak that helps us in the preparation of minutes and also if you would not mind it helps us also if you could line up against the wall on the far side of the room. so that we could move through the speakers more quickly, if you are able to stand. >> first speaker, can step forward. >> i just indicated that the speakers will be limited to two minutes each. >> given the numerousty. >> please have the first speaker step forward.
>> someone has to start. >> who wants to be the first speaker? thank you. >> >> i did not get a chance to fill it out. >> if you have not filled out a card, come up to the podium and you can fill one out afterwards and hand it in. >> okay, my name is drake gardener. >> you are associated with the project, >> right. >> your time to speak with the parties. >> okay. >> so public comment is for people who are not affiliated with any of the parties just to be clear. next speaker, please? >> if no one comes up to speak, we are going to close public comment. >> someone please come forward. >> just speak. >> i have not filled it out yet but i will. >> i'm brian (inaudible) and i am a neighbor.
i live down the street from the project. and i just wanted to let the board know that we, the majority of the neighbors feel that speaking for myself and spoken with people that the project is out of scope with the neighborhood. most of the homes are around 2,000 to 3,000 square feet. that the average is 2,063 i believe and this is a 5,000 square foot home with 863 foot deck around it. it is a monster home and it is a very quaint neighborhood and a very small street, actually. a dead end street and this is going to be at the end of it. and we feel that it is out of scope and we are also worried about the size of it in regard to the fact that it is in a slide area. if they are going to build that size of a building they really
need to get their engineering in line and do some serious excavating and foundation work. thank you. >> thank you. >> the next speaker please, and i ask that people not block the door, we have fire codes that we have to comply with, if you could line up on that side of the room that would be great or take your seat. >> thank you. >> my name is niko (inaudible) and i am also a neighbor of crown terrace i was surprised to hear the speakers speak about adding security by adding that big house at the end of a dead end, very small street where it is actually difficult to move, and i am not quite sure how they will be even be able to build even such a build house and keep the security on the street. so i think that is actually going to add to the not security of the street. the other thing is the view that we saw from the various homes, i think that we are quite the photos that were
taken were definitely making it more over exaggerated of how the view will be made. i think that the perspective of that does not reveal what actually is going to be obstructed by this. i also want to also comment and agree with my fellow neighbor, that the majority of the houses on that street are about 2,000 square feet and it is a very rare dead end street in san francisco which i believe has a rare charm for the city and this kind of larger space at the end of a dead end will actually really change the view of one of our rear street in san francisco. thank you. >> thank you. next speaker please? >> thank you. for hearing me. my name is rj harris and i am a resident at 110 crown terrace. one of the issues that has not
been addressed at least to my satisfaction is this issue of slope inspection or slope integrity. and you think that you can put a 5,000 square foot home on the footings and foundation of a property that currently supports an 800 square foot building that is ridiculous. so i would assume that they would have to be substantial new foundation and new footings dug and i am not sure that it has been explained to me how that will effect the slope integrity, if you walk around crown terrace and indeed the entire heights area you will see a lot of homes and their attached garages that have that conspicuous trickle of water that comes out of them and i can't imagine what digging into that hillside would potentially do to the springs that we all live on top of.
and the lack of slope integrity that we all see from time-to-time in our neighborhood. thank you. >> thank you. >> next speaker please? >> good evening commissioners, (inaudible), this is a project that has been going on for about seven years, i believe. it has gone through a number of (inaudible) that try to satisfied the neighborhood. when you look at the neighborhood, where you see a whole range of buildings from the small ones to the larger ones, it meets the residual design guidelines as a engineering concern, engineering is going to be assessed amid the current codes. so i can assure you that you are not going to see this building rolling down the hill in any future condition or whatever happens. i think that it is a great card and i would urge you to deny the appeal and allow this to keep moving forward. >> thank you. next speaker please?
>> thank you. for hearing me. i'm annie rosenbloom we own the home across the street from this project for the last 32 years, the top policy is the preservation of the affordable housing, whether they take down all of the walls or not, objectively it has been alter fromed affordable housing into unaffordable housing which will surely be $1.4 million dollars or more, this contradicts the general plan and priority policies mr. murphy says project owner would like city support to build new rather than do an expansion project. in other words, change the building permit from an alter ration to a demolition after the fact. mr. murphy who is president of the building inspection commission knows that this contradicts the policis in place and this would require a
mandatory discretionary review and proof that 125 crown is not affordable housing quh it is. and i am quoting joe escanany, article bringing down the housing. the question is asked, is it possible to level a building construct a new one and define this as an alter ration or a remodel? 125 crown terrace their own designer confirms that. his quote is but you can't do it all at once. you have to do it piece meal, they have got codes that overlap and cross each other and so you try to fist through it all, get it approved and build it not get in trouble with the inspector for taking out more than you did designated than you were going to do. >> they can demolish a house piece meal and go undetected. it is valued at $906,000, this is affordable housing and mr. murphy is a real estate developer and he is disregarding the city's plan and using his intimate knowledge of the policy to his advantage and should be held to
the same rules and regulations, and this is a defacto demolition. >> thank you. >> excuse me, from what was it a newspaper? >> it is a newspaper article from san francisco weekly. >> in the materials? >> yes. >> okay. >> thank you. >> okay. next speaker. please? >> thank you. >> my name is terry woods. mr. murphy was turned down twice for a general permit. mr. murphy was turned down twice for a permit because this house is considered affordable housing. and then he applied a third time and now calling it an alter ration, bypassing affordable housing rules and a permit and the mandatory dr.
the assertion that this is not a demolition is based on the city planning interpretation of the code 317. the co-author of this code eric peskin says this provision was added to the ordinance to avoid punishing honest builders who after doing the calculations happened upon the unknown discovered area of the building which must be replaced or repaired. >> the department is now permitting savvy project sponsor to plan such repair and maintenance in advance. and tear down more of the building than would ordinary be allowed by the code. mr. murphy, at first said, or at the request of the dr request that we had. he said, well they could be placed or take the walls down and replace and repair them and put them back and now he is saying that he is going to add to them. not take them out. that they will still stay in the same place and add the sheer wall to them and that is